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> There is indeed a significant different
> between a Unix+Desktop system and a
> "Unix-like" system (like Coherent,
> cygwin, OS/9, and many others). BUT YOU
> DON"T REALIZE THAT OS/X isn't like
> those, it's real BSD Unix.
Its kernel is "real BSD Unix"-based; remember, even Apple doesn't claim that OS X is Unix. How can you say that when the vendor doesn't even try to pass it off as "Unix"?
From my experiences, and the experiences of friends who've tried to move from *nix to OS X, that "real BSD Unix" is quite hidden and burried... as it should be for a desktop-focused operating system. But that's why OS X, out of the box, is, IMO, not Unix.
> You might not like the default environment, though
> that seems to be mostly out of ignorance
> or lazyness (yeah, it's a pain to
> install the developer CD separately, but
> hardly an issue - I guess you didn't
> know that even Solaris doesn't come with
> some sets of tools out of the box or
> that Linux distros can be very different
> than the excellent Red Hat package) but
> it is real Unix, there is no question of
Everyone's getting hung up on the tools I decided to pick; it is clear that a compiler does not a Unix system make. But I've been saying this in responses, and I wish I had put it in the editorial: to make OS X even begin to behave like Unix, you have to "weaponize" it with the Developer's CD (and OS X: The Hidden Manual probably helps, too).
The fact that you have to do this proves that Apple's focus is not concerned with grabbing (or supporting) the Unix developer and workstation market, which was O'Reilly's argument.
Having said that, just because you're a Unix hacker doesn't mean that you wouldn't want a desktop operating system; as I've said before, if I didn't have a laptop, I'd be looking at an iBook.
This article is not about bashing Apple. At all.
It is about clarifying some of the hype Apple's supporters (who often epitomize zealotry) and Apple's marketing department are making about their desktop, Unix-based OS.
> It's also nice that it fully supports X and legacy X
No, XDarwin, which Apple seemingly doesn't want acknowledge exists, fully supports X. OS X, out of the box, doesn't know anything about port 6000.
> Freshmeat has no business publishing
> this kind of clueless article with a
> name-dropping misleading headline.
I can assure you, you wouldn't have liked my original title. ;-)
> I notice that the author of this piece
> is responding _only_ to those who have
> been trollish, rather than those who
> raise good points. This is interesting.
Which points have been raised that you'd like me to respond to?
Just because I picked a few posts to respond to last night doesn't mean I can't (or won't) respond to some of the others I've read here; honestly, I've been busy defending myself on some LUG lists... but hey... at least people are reading it, and that's the point of any editorial.
The discussion has been valuable.